Hybrid specific oil: Do we need it?

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  1. Marine Ray

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    "Our advice: There’s no need to yield to dealerships or service shops suggesting that you should follow a dramatically tighter service schedule because you have a hybrid. Stick to the intervals recommended in your owner’s manual, and a formulation like this is probably a good pre-emptive measure."

    Valvoline released a hybrid-specific motor oil: Do you need it?
     
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    marketing 101, toyota oem, mobil 1, or etc
     
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    Pennzoil website says their hybrid oil only 0W-16. So that's for the 2020 Prius Prime only. 2017-19 Prius Primes use 0W-20.
     
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    I really doubt there's any difference between 2020 model year engines and previous. Apart from the piston/ring revision, I think the 3rd/4th gen engines are identical. There are obvious differences in the bolt-ons too, the oil filter bracket, the EGR system, intake and exhaust manifolds. But the internals of the engine, the same?

    Accordingly, I wouln't say that one model year engine "needs" 0W20, and another 0W16. It's more just that Toyota's policy has changed.

    The Prius 3rd/4th gen 1.8 liter engine is also used, essentially the same, in non-hybrid Corollas.
     
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    IIRC, Gen2 Prius PHV (model ZVW52, aka PRIME in the US) in Japanese market always had factory suggested 0W-16 oil. The reason US version (and maybe other regions?) had 0W-20 was due to availability issue, not because of any mechanical differences. Now, 0W-16 oil are starting to show up on a shelf of many auto stores including Walmart in the US, Toyota must have changed the recommendation. I am thinking to use 0W-16 oil for the next oil change on my 2017 PRIME.

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    Does 0W16 provide any better fuel economy?
     
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    Probably marginally better fuel economy but, more important to Toyota, likely increased engine wear too so it will need to be replaced sooner. The engine only needs to last long enough to satisfy government regulators.
     
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    Right. /sarcasm

    Just like 0w20, and 5w30, and ... before. All the "car guys" said "That stuffs water" and your engine will be smoking and breaking down in no time.
    Change the oil when and with what the manual spec's and the chance of having an oil-related problem are very, very low over the lifespan of the vehicle. Design issues are much more likely to present a problem - e.g. Hondas/Mazda with fuel dilution issues. Subarus and headgasekts, etc.
     
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    they'd be recommending water now, if it raised mpg's and got most engines past warranty
     
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    I'm thinking depends on your local temps. If you live in warmer temps then use the heavier oil since it will still flow at startup and warmup, if in colder region use thinner to get more flow when cold/cool.
     
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    The products with the least actual differentiation get the most advertising. See flashlight batteries & motor oil for examples.
     
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    Does insurance qualify? Most insurance is the same cost. Most insurance ads are iconic or have some sort of catchy mascot (AFLAC geese, GEICO gecko, PROGRESSIVE)
     
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    Oh absolutely. High margin, no difference from one to the next... yep they'll pour piles of it into the ad budget.
     
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    Until you need to make a claim. In my experience, service from insurance companies varies widely.
     
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