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  1. Since

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    This is my first post, I shall be lurking, learning, waiting... until I have saved enough to buy a Prius. I want to be as educated as possible before looking at some in person, also I will be buying used. I also plan on brining a checklist of things to check when inspecting the car. This will be my first car so if anyone has any tips to throw at me while I research, feel free. This had potential to be a used buyer's guide.

    ~THIS CHECKLIST IS A WORK IN PROGRESS~​
    Inspection
    Exterior
    body condition
    ☐ Check each body panel and the roof, looking for scratches, dents, and rust. Examine the lines of the fenders and doors.
    Misaligned panels or large gaps can indicate either sloppy assembly at the factory or shoddy repair. The paint color and finish should be the same on every body panel. If you think a dent may have been patched with body filler, put a small magnet on it; it won’t stick to an area with body filler. If other parts of the car have been repainted, there may be paint adhering to the rubber seals around the hood and trunk lid. Also inspect the wheel wells, the rocker panels beneath the doors, and the door bottoms. Bring a flashlight for looking inside the wheel wells for rust.
    ☐ Open and close each door, the hood, and the trunk. Gently lift and let go of each door, particularly the driver’s door. If it seems loose on its hinges, the car has seen hard or long use. Inspect any rubber seal for tearing or rot.

    ☐ Look carefully at the vehicle glass to make sure there are no cracks or large, pocked areas. A small stone chip may not be cause for alarm, though you should bring it up as a bargaining point in negotiations. But cracks in the windshield will worsen and lead to a costly repair.

    ☐ Walk around the car to see if it’s standing level. Bounce each corner up and down. If the shock absorbers are in good shape, the car should rebound just once; it shouldn’t keep moving up and down. Grab the top of each front tire and tug it back and forth. If you feel play in it or hear a clunking or ticking sound, the wheel bearings or suspension joints may be shot.

    ☐ Have a friend confirm that all lights are working. Make sure all light lenses and reflectors are intact and not cracked, fogged with moisture, or missing.
    ☐ You can tell a lot from the tires. A car with less than, say, 20,000 miles on the odometer should probably still have its original tires. Be wary of a low-mileage car with new tires; the vehicle’s odometer may have been rolled back. Also check that all four tires are the same. Any different tires may show that they have been replaced.

    Tread wear should be even across the width of the tread and the same on the left and right sides of the car. Ask if the tires have been regularly rotated. If not, the wear is usually more severe on the drive wheels.

    Aggressive drivers tend to put heavy wear on the outside shoulder of the front tires, at the edge of the sidewall. Assume that the car has been driven hard if that area shows heavier wear.

    Tires that have been driven while overinflated tend to wear more in the middle than on the sides. Chronically underinflated tires show more wear on the sides. Cupped tires, those that are worn unevenly along the tread’s circumference, may be a sign of a problem with the steering, suspension, or brakes.

    Tires must have at least 1/16 inch of tread to be legal. Check the tread depth with a tread-depth tool (available at auto-parts stores) or a quarter. Insert the quarter into the tread groove, with Washington’s head down. If you can see the top of his head, the tire should be replaced.

    Examine the sidewalls for scuffing, cracks, or bulges, and look on the edge of each rim for dents or cracks. And be sure to check that the spare is in good shape and that the proper jack and lug wrench are present.


    Interior
    ☐ When you first open the car door, sniff the interior. A musty, moldy, or mildewy smell could indicate water leaks. Remove the floor mats and check for wet spots on the carpet. An acrid smell may indicate that the car was used by a smoker. Check the lighter and ashtray for evidence. Some odors, such as mold or smoke, can be very hard to get rid of. If you don’t like what you smell, find another car.

    ☐ Try out all the seats even though you may not plan to sit in the rear. Upholstery shouldn’t be ripped or badly worn, particularly in a car with low mileage. Try all the seat adjustments to make sure they work properly and that you can find a good driving position.

    ☐ The rubber on the brake, clutch, and gas pedals gives an indication of use. A car with low miles shouldn’t show much wear. Pedal rubber that’s worn through in spots—or brand-new—indicates that the car has been driven a lot.

    ☐ Turn the ignition switch, but without starting the engine. All the warning lights—including the “Check engine” light—should illuminate for a few seconds and go off when you start the engine. Note if the engine is hard to start when cold and if it idles smoothly. Then try out every switch, button, and lever. With the engine running, turn on the heater full blast to see how hot it gets, and how quickly. Switch on the air conditioning and make sure it quickly blows cold.

    ☐ Check radio reception on AM and FM. If there is a CD player, try loading and ejecting a disc. If you plan on using an MP3 player or an iPod in the car, bring that along and test out the connection if there is one.

    ☐ Check the headliner and roof trim for stains or sags to see if water is leaking through the sunroof, ill-fitting doors, or windows. If equipped with a sunroof or moonroof, check to see if it opens and closes properly and seals well when shut. Inspect the convertible top for tears by shining a flashlight up into it.

    ☐ Use your nose as well as your eyes. Sniff and look for signs of water entry. See if the carpeting feels wet or smells musty, and check the spare-tire well for water or rust.



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  2. WilDavis

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    You've certainly found the right place to find what you're looking for! Lots of well-informed folk, only to eager to share their experience and expertise about the vehicle that we've all come to love and cherish! Welcome, and good luck! (…some of us love to see pictures of other folks' Prii, so when you have landed the car of your dreams, get yer camera or phone out, and start snapping!)
     
  3. Tideland Prius

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    As a used car buyer's guide, there are general things you should follow or at least keep in mind.


    1. Get the potential candidate's full service history. You want to know that the previous owner has been following the maintenance schedule and not cutting corners. Also what's the latest maintenance done? Is the owner trying to pass off the next expensive maintenance items to you? If it matters to do, does the previous owner have kids or pets? (pet allergies or interior spills)
    2. Get a list of recalls and TSBs. Make sure they've all been done on the potential candidate. They're done free of charge by the dealer (reimbursed by the manufacturer). Failure to do so could lead to injury (see the Takata airbag issue. Some of those that were injured didn't know their car was under the recall and that the work hadn't been done)
    3. What exactly are you purchasing? With Japanese and American cars, it's easier to see what options the vehicle has because they're usually packaged (and in the case of American cars, the list of a la carte options is small nowadays). With a la carte options of the European vehicles, it's difficult to gauge what the vehicle is worth because of the variety of combinations (e.g. MINI. Great for new car owners to customise their vehicles but a potential headache for 2nd hand owners who have to be meticulous to ensure they're paying for what the advertisement says the car has). What accessories is the owner keeping and what is he including with the car? (like carpet floor mats, rubber floor mats, cargo net, wheel locks w/ key, cargo liner, cargo mat). Before purchasing, is the spare tire in good condition? Is it flat? Has it been used?
    4. Check the basics on the test drive - Look for rust, look at the tire wear. Is it even? Are the tires worn and need replacement? Do the electronics work? (power windows/locks/mirrors/seat/moonroof, A/C, radio, nav, HUD, radar cruise etc). Do the front/rear seats look reasonable for the age of the car? On the road, are there unusual noises from the suspension or brakes?
    5. If the car is on the short list, then take it into a trusted mechanic (usually dealer unless you know somebody who specialises in the vehicle you're purchasing) to get them to check the parts of the car you can't see. If the car was previously in a collision, they can tell you if the car has been repaired properly or poorly.
    6. Check the VIN (e.g. Carfax). Has it been in a serious collision? Was it previously a rental/taxi? Is it clear & lien free? Is it a salvage/flood car?
    7. Once you get the car in your possession, do a hand wash (if weather permits). This allows you to go over the car's paint and body in detail. You may wish to get a fresh set of fluids (transmission, oil change, coolant) but it depends on your preference, budget and whether a service schedule is coming up. Of course, get the interior professionally detailed.
     
  4. KennyGS

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    Welcome and congratulations on reaching a new milestone in your life.

    Why have you decided on a Prius? When do you think your purchase might happen?
     
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    I decided on a prius because I really like the look for as one reason, and I plan on moving from Arizona to Washington, I am pretty sure I can fit all my stuff in the back, and if not I'll just sell some stuff. And I hate paying for gas in low mpg vehicles, like my families cars/truck
     
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    Washington State I presume.
    I am thinking WA is a CARB state but not extended w/ CARB 10-yr 150k mile on the HV battery.
    So the warranty is roughly same as AZ bought car, but if you could get eg a CA car used the CARB warranty would transfer to WA.
    But I don't know if that's a big deal in this case. If WA was full CARB then you'd want to consider that.
     
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    welcome! great move doing your research first. we get so many who buy first, then come here with problems. what is your budget, and what year/mileage are you thinking about? all the best!(y)
     
  8. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    That's an excellent point!
    IIRC the CARB warranty might also cover some other spendy hybrid components. A little research in this area might save you big.
    There are also a lot of used Priuses in Caly for sale privately, and if you shop right you might even get into an off-lease Pip.
    The money that you save might be worth a weekend trip if you find the right car on CL.


    For light hauling with the Prius, you may want to consider a hitch and a small garden trailer....both for the move and life afterwards in WA.
    Many people (me included!) don't advocate hauling heavy loads with this car and they have a zero-pound tow rating but I've seem people buy, use, and benefit from hitches.
    Since the Prius is shaped like a door stop, a rear-mounted bike rack or luggage carrier makes more sense than some of the roof mounted rigs.

    Welcome to the community and be sure to let us know what you find!!!
     
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    Nice to have you on board, since -j
    wow ... all your stuf in one car. I remember the day ... barely. Good thing the Prius is a choice ... after the move you'll find it quite versatile, besides being a gas sipper.
    Welcome!
     
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    Wow you guys are too welcoming, I've got a few questions, (and so many more later) about car stuff you guys are talking about.
    1. CARB? what is that short/stand for?
    2. what does having a zero-pound tow rating entail? Would it affect the car using a hitch and pulling to heavy a load? or would the car itself prove to be not powerful enough?

    Edit: UPDATE, STARTED WORKING ON THE CHECKLIST
     
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    1 - CARB = calif air resource board. Several states comply with their standards - which in the case of warranties - means more miles & more years protected, for issues relating specifically to the traction pack, the motor generator components, inverter/high voltage & thermal managent components, etc.
    2 - the prius isn't rated to tow, although larger hybrids (like the Lexus/Toyota suv) do have a tow rating. It's that simple. What it means for practical application is that if your inverter overheated due to (for example you were pulling a grade in hot weather) 'abuse' .... Your warranty will be voidable. Obviously, any towing on a car not rated to tow would be considered abuse. There is gray area in between too - but that's the short version. Hope that's helpful!
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    The 2014 list of CARB States in the US | PriusChat


    Take note that the Power Split Device (basically the transmission) falls under the 5 year/60,000 mile powertrain warranty.

    The Hybrid Warranty (8 years/100,000 miles) covers the HV battery, battery control module, hybrid control module and inverter with converter. The CARB States warranty is only for the battery at 10 years/150,000 miles
     
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    I'm pretty slow to get this done, but let me know what you think of the checklist, I need to shorten it and expand it.
     
  15. JimN

    JimN Let the games begin!

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    I think you have it covered. Look "everywhere" for things that "don't look right".
     
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    Looks good but maybe put an asterisk next to the suspension check cause if you're looking at a private seller, the seller may not like you pushing down on the body and bouncing the suspension.
     
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    Dang! some time has passed, and I'm nearing purchase. I've saved up 4,500 and have been checking out the listings on CL for the past couple months. Today I test drove some from some sellers, but the only viable candidate for purchase happens to be from a local seller who buys and sells prii regularly. He seems very knowledgeable in Prius and Toyota in general. Here are the specs that i know for the one I'm thinking of buying.

    • 2005
    • base model
    • clean title
    • 150,000 mileage
    • gold
    • interior quite clean upon first inspection
    • HV battery is currently an aftermarket battery that has degraded after only 1 year, and the seller , i believe, rebuilds batteries himself.(he showed me the easy way to tell a battery cover from after market to oem battery cover, and some batteries that he currently has at his work area)
    • Windshield is cracked, but scheduled to be repaired tomorrow
    what am i missing...
     
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    JimN Let the games begin!

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    If Mr. Rebuilder's packs only last a year you end up seeing a lot of each other. How much does he charge for the rebuild? How much time do you want to spend doing the job right yourself? Do you want this to become a hobby?

    If you need reliable transportation and this is the vehicle that has to perform then knock the price down and buy a new battery. $4500 for that car is just too much.
     
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    from what i know, it's not his packs that last a year, it just happened to be the prius he bought had a degraded after market battery. He buys priuses and checks batteries and if they need work, he fixes them before putting a listing on craigslist
     
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    So your Prius will come with a rebuilt battery with the bad cells replaced? And he will show you the test results?