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The Cleanest Alt Fuel Cars (complete lifecycle)

Discussion in 'Other Cars' started by Troy Heagy, Sep 9, 2015.

  1. Troy Heagy

    Troy Heagy Member

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    where 100 == no pollution

    Electric:     65 BMW i3
    61 Smart ForTwo EV

    Hybrid: 57 Prius C
    56 BMW i3 with V2 engine

    Gasoline: 54 Mirage 1.2
    53 Smart ForTwo 1.0 and Toyota-Scion IQ

    Natural Gas:     54 Civic CNG
    Diesel: 47 Jetta and Golf

    Other Random Cars of Note:
    51 Fiesta with 3 cylinder engine
    50 Volt
    47 Tesla S
    40 Charger V6
    39 Porsche Panamera hybrid
    29 Charger Hellcat (the 707 hp machine reviewers are drooling over)
    19 Veyron

    Ranked by the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy. LINK: GreenerCars Ratings | Greener Cars
     
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  2. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Meaningless.

    Actually?
    That's being generous.

    A Smart For Too car is "cleaner" than a PHEV?

    BRAVO-SIERRA!
    I remember when the diesel dorks were also saying that the Hummer was cleaner than a Prius.

    Same BS.
    Different Pasture.


    Now.....
    Time to check my blocks.
     
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  3. Troy Heagy

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    Criticizing ACEEE makes about as much sense as criticizing Greenpeace.... they are both ultra-liberal pro-earth organizations.

    Anyway I'm surprised the Tesla is rated no cleaner (47) than a diesel (47) and almost as dirty as a V6 muscle car (40). Greenercars says it's because the car uses a lot of energy to assemble 4500 pounds of metal, gears, et cetera. Plus its MPG is much lower than other EVs so its emits more pollution while being charged off the US grid.

    I'm also surprised the Hellcat is as clean as 29.
    I expected it to be closer to the Veyron or Porsche 911
     
    #3 Troy Heagy, Sep 9, 2015
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    My point exactly. :)
    Thanks for the affirmation.
     
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  6. Troy Heagy

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    Well I don't see anything dishonest with either ACEEE or Greenpeace or the EPA GREET study these car calculations are based on, but whatever (shrug). Oh and you misread the chart. The Smart ForTwo with gasoline does NOT outrank the plugin i3
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    The details of how they calculated this is what matters.
    What are the lifetime miles assumed? Is it the same for every car?
    Do they assume you ever do any maintenance and extend the life of the car.
    No one really knows what will be done to extend the life of a 10+ yr old EV.
    Will they be scrapped? Will people rebuild the batteries and give them 5-7 more years and another 50-75K more miles?

    Mike
     
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    Hi Troy hows that FCV doing?
     
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    you shouldn't be surprised - Art Spinella used to make the same kind of hoakey statements about the Prius. Many here on PC (disproving his Hummer is more environmentally friendly than a Prius 'study' - how it was a big fraud) drove him out of business and probably to an early grave.
     
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    cheat to win!
     
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    Source: GreenerCars Ratings | Greener Cars

    September 21, 2015 Note: On September 18thEPA issued a notice of violation (link is external) of the Clean Air Act to Volkswagen for including software in their diesel vehicles that helps circumvent EPA emission standards for nitrogen oxides. As a result, Greenercars.org has suspended Green Scores for the following affected vehicles until further notice as these scores are no longer valid:


    Volkswagen Jetta TDI and Jetta Sportwagen TDI (MY2009 - MY2015)
    Volkswagen Beetle and Beetle Convertible TDI (MY2009 - MY2015)
    Audi A3 TDI (MY2009 - MY2015)
    Volkswagen Golf TDI (MY2009 - MY2015)
    Volkswagen Passat TDI (MY2014 - MY2015)
    Golf Sportwagen TDI (MY2015)    ​

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    It's Farfromanewone! :)
     
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    yes, how is that fuel cell?
     
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